#65 — Ronald Germain, M.D. is a Distinguished Investigator and Lab Chief of the Lymphocyte Biology Section at the National Institutes of Health. In this episode of The Microscopists, Ron joins Peter O’Toole to discuss why you need to think like a surfer in science. They also chat about what he does to entertain himself when he gets bored in meetings and why he let go of being a control freak.

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